)Ваш вердикт? mrGora
Сделай Scan + Advanced Remap в Victoria под ДОС-ом. и шлейф поменяй.
Вам следует сделать посекторную копию на другой носительПодскажите, как сделать посекторную копию?
сними еще в др прогеСейчас не сделать диска рядом нет.
Подскажите, как сделать посекторную копию?
в частности что означает каждая из трех колонок по вертикали?
RAW (Данные), там "реальное" значение...
это который на первом скрине?
для полноценной работы это значение всегда должно быть равно 0?
Аналогично растёт и щётчик распарковок головок, например, и некоторые другие атрибуты...На втором тоже есть столбик RAW, не так ли?
Например 9-й атрибут - время работы, там указывается в часах. Как он может быть 0?
То есть первый атрибут? Смутило, что в HDDScan он ненулевой? Возможно какая-то из прог врёт, скорее первая. Ещё в Виктории гляньте, что там. Она вроде никогда не врала. Но даже если и так - 14 - слишком маленькое число, не стоит волноваться. Тем более - что как говорят, все диски, кроме Сигейтов, скрывают реальную статистику этого параметра
Seagate's Seek Error Rate, Raw Read Error Rate, and Hardware ECC Recovered SMART attributes
09-14-2011 11:44 PM - last edited on 09-15-2011 01:28 AM
Seagate's Seek Error Rate, Raw Read Error Rate, and Hardware ECC Recovered SMART attributes create a lot of anxiety amongst Seagate users. This is because the raw values are typically very high, and the normalised values (Current / Worst / Threshold) are usually quite low. Despite this, the numbers in most cases are perfectly OK.
The anxiety arises because we intuitively expect that the normalised values should reflect a "health" score, with 100 being the ideal value. Similarly, we would expect that the raw values should reflect an error count, in which case a value of 0 would be most desirable. However, Seagate calculates and applies these attribute values in a counterintuitive way.
In fact the normalised values of Seagate's Seek Error Rate, Raw Read Error Rate, and Hardware ECC Recovered attributes are logarithmic, not linear, and the raw values are sector counts or seek counts, not error counts.
Seagate's SMART documentation is not publicly available. The following information has not been gleaned from any official source, but is based on my own testing and observation, and on testing by others. Therefore it may contain errors.
Seek Error Rate
The raw value of each SMART attribute occupies 48 bits. Seagate's Seek Error Rate attribute consists of two parts -- a 16-bit count of seek errors in the uppermost 4 nibbles, and a 32-bit count of seeks in the lowermost 8 nibbles. In order to see these data, we will need a SMART utility that reports all 48 bits, preferably in hexadecimal. Two such utilities are HD Sentinel and HDDScan.
I believe the relationship between the raw and normalised values of the SER attribute is given by ...
normalised SER = -10 log (lifetime seek errors / lifetime seeks)
In the above formula, if the drive has recorded no errors, then we would still need to set the number of errors to 1, otherwise the result would be indeterminate.
The following table correlates the normalised SER against the actual error rate:
90 = <= 1 error per 1000 million seeks
80 = <= 1 error per 100 million
70 = <= 1 error per 10 million
60 = <= 1 error per million
50 = 10 errors per million
40 = 100 errors per million
30 = 1000 errors per million
20 = 10 errors per thousand
A drive that has not yet recorded 1 million seeks will show 100 and 253 for the Current and Worst values. I believe this is because the data are not considered to be statistically significant until the drive has recorded 1 million seeks. When this target is reached, the values drop to 60 and 60, assuming there have been no errors.
By way of example, here are the SMART data for my 13GB Seagate HDD:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/SmartUDM/13GB.RPT
Attribute ID Threshold Value Worst Raw
===============================================================
Seek Error Rate 7 30 53 38 052E0E3000EC
The number of lifetime seek errors = 0x052E (uppermost 4 nibbles)
The number of lifetime seeks = 0x0E3000EC (lowermost 8 nibbles)
Using Google's calculator ...
0x052E = 1326
0x0E3000EC = 238 026 988
http://www.google.com/search?q=0x052E+in+decimal
http://www.google.com/search?q=0x0E3000EC+in+decimal
Applying the formula ...
normalised SER = -10 log (0x052E / 0x0E3000EC)
http://www.google.com/search?q=-10+log+(0x052E+/+0x0E3000EC)
... we get a result of 52.54.
Here is a second example:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/SmartUDM/120GB.RPT
Attribute ID Threshold Value Worst Raw
===============================================================
Seek Error Rate 7 30 79 60 00000580A6AC
The above drive is in fact error free. It has recorded 0x0580A6AC seeks (= 92 million) without error.
Applying the formula ...
normalised SER = -10 log (1 / 0x0580A6AC)
... we get a result of 79.65
Note that we have used 1 instead of 0 for the error count (because log 0 is indeterminate).
Raw Read Error Rate and Hardware ECC Recovered
The raw values of the RRER and HER attributes represent a sector count, not an error count. This figure rolls over to 0 once the count reaches about 250 million. I suspect that the drive records the total number of errors in each block of 250 million sectors, and then recalculates the normalised values of each attribute accordingly. This means that RRER and HER would be updated according to a rolling average rather than on a lifetime basis. I'm almost certain that the normalised values are also logarithmic, but I'm not sure how they are calculated. The above figure of 250 million sectors applies to the 7200.11 and DiamondMax 22 models, but may not apply to all.
While writing this article I came upon a Seagate document entitled "Diagnostic Commands". It doesn't discuss SMART attributes, but it refers to "Error Recovery Usage Rate" and defines it as ...
Error Recovery Usage Rate =
-log10 {(Number of sectors in which controller invoked specified error recovery scheme)/[(Number of sectors transferred) * (512 bytes/sector) * (8 bits/byte)]}
This lends support for my Seek Error Rate formula, and suggests that the RRER and HER attributes may be similarly calculated.
In fact the document mentions (but does not discuss) 5 different error recovery schemes:
HARD = multiple retries invoked and failed
FIRM = multiple retries invoked
SOFT = 5 retries invoked
OTF = 1 retry invoked (On The Fly)
RAW = OTF ECC invoked
"On The Fly" means that errored data is corrected using the ECC bytes, without an additional access of the platters.
Based on the abovementioned Error Recovery Usage Rate formula, I now postulate that the normalised value of the Raw Read Error Rate attribute could be calculated as follows:
normalised RRER = -10 log (number of errored sectors / total bits transferred)
The total number of bits is ...
(250 million sectors) x (512 bytes/sector) x (8 bits/byte) = 1.024 x 10^12
It seems to me that it makes more sense to use a round figure, say 10^12.
If we now let the number of errors equal 0 (or 1), then we have ...
max normalised RRER = -10 log (1 / 10^12) = 120
Similarly, if we let the number of errors equal 250 million (ie every sector is errored), then we have ...
min normalised RRER = -10 log (1 / 4096) = 36
Therefore, if my hypothesis is correct, we would expect that the threshold value of the RRER attribute would be 36, and its maximum possible value would be 120. In fact my Internet research tends to confirm a maximum of 120 for 7200.11 models, but the threshold figure is 34.
FWIW, here are the numbers for my own Seagate drives:
Attribute ID Threshold Value Worst Raw
================================================================
Raw Read Error Rate 1 6 114 100 00000386EBBA (ST3320620A)
Raw Read Error Rate 1 6 64 62 00000AFD20E3 (ST3120026A)
Raw Read Error Rate 1 34 77 66 000007820F8F (ST340016A)
Raw Read Error Rate 1 0 79 78 00000753BA8E (ST313021A)
Hardware ECC recovered 195 0 100 63 00000C62F66E (ST3320620A)
Hardware ECC recovered 195 0 64 62 00000AFD20E3 (ST3120026A)
Hardware ECC recovered 195 0 77 66 000007820F8F (ST340016A)
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/SmartUDM/320GB.RPT
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/SmartUDM/120GB.RPT
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/SmartUDM/40GB.RPT
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/SmartUDM/13GB.RPT
References:
Here are several Usenet discussions where I have posted the results of my experiments:
Seagate - SMART Raw Read Error Rate test:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage/browse_thread/thread/b6eb8aa2476f9ca...
SER, RRER, and HEC discussion:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage/browse_thread/thread/54b8ad6d34549e9...
Seek Error Rate discussion:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage/browse_thread/thread/87001db5c567fb9...
A report from a Seagate user regarding the RRER attribute:
http://forums.seagate.com/t5/Barracuda-XT-Barracuda-Barracuda/New-Maxtor-STM3500320AS-500GB-S-M-A-R-...
HD Sentinel (DOS / Windows / Linux):
http://www.hdsentinel.com/
HDDScan for Windows:
http://hddscan.com/
трабла с жд у меня произошла сегодня впервые за 2 года использования ноутбука hp
что за последнее время ноут несколько раз падал с кровати
22 блока выше 200мс - это потенциальные бэды
Вопрос в том насколько вероятно, что ему пришел пи***ц и он умрет в ближайшее время по вашему опыту?
Достаточный срок для сигейта, тем более, что:
SMART винта вполне нормальный, ИМХО.
А какая винда у тебя? Может, DMA-режим слетел? Или дрова чипсета кривят...
винда отказывается ставиться на этот диск - бла,бла, бла диск не исправен
статус смарта в виктории BAD
Туши свет, сливай винт...
), а работать-то можно. У меня тоже есть криво отселфсканенный Сигейт с заваленным Spin Retry Count (могу показать SMART ). И у него всегда статус БЭД и шо? Пишу с него сейчас, пашет уже года полтора Страницы: 1234567891011121314151617181920212223242526272829303132333435363738
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